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nations. more meetings, more talking. sad to report no real solution today and that pretty much sums up the fiscal cliff negotiations. i feel like a broken record. here we go again on the countdown. day 26. got another 24 hours closer to the edge of the fiscal cliff which is why we have our eyes on the white house press briefing. got a live picture ready for you so we don't miss anything. for what it's worth, president obama and house speaker boehner are talking. they had a nice telephone conversation. that's terrific. the first time in a week but apparently that's the headline. that's the editorial body. not much came out of it that we know of. sources say no real breakthrough. no formal negotiations. sessions are not scheduled. no back channel discussions taking place that anybody knows about at this time and as we wait for the white house briefing to begin, let's bring in wolf blitzer on this topic. there are a couple of polls that are very telling about how americans feel about congress an
nations. more meetings, more talking. sad to report no real solution today and that pretty much sums up the fiscal cliff negotiations. i feel like a broken record. here we go again on the countdown. day 26. got another 24 hours closer to the edge of the fiscal cliff which is why we have our eyes on the white house press briefing. got a live picture ready for you so we don't miss anything. for what it's worth, president obama and house speaker boehner are talking. they had a nice telephone...
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nations. one senior government official here in seoul tells me that a motivation behind this rocket launch may also be domestic instability. the source says that kim jong-un's rule may not be as secure as previously thought. and this kind of rocket launch could deflect any attention from that. tom? >> as you may recall, the last launch there did not go very well at all. >>> next to gaza city, where after 45 years in exile, one of the founders of hamas, khalid meshaal, made a historic return today. the pomp and circumstance surrounding his visit underscored the organization's powerful influence among palestinians. cnn's fred pleitgen was there. >> reporter: he received a triumphal welcome when he entered gaza. tens of thousands of hamas fighters lined the street wearing ski masks and combat fatigues and flashing their weapons, including ak-47s and rocket-propelled grenades. the official reason why meshaal is here after never having been in gaza before is the 25th anniversary of the founding of
nations. one senior government official here in seoul tells me that a motivation behind this rocket launch may also be domestic instability. the source says that kim jong-un's rule may not be as secure as previously thought. and this kind of rocket launch could deflect any attention from that. tom? >> as you may recall, the last launch there did not go very well at all. >>> next to gaza city, where after 45 years in exile, one of the founders of hamas, khalid meshaal, made a...
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. >> reporter: kimmerly has traveled the world investigating war crimes for the united nations, searching for mass graves in places like yugoslavia and peru. . have you done just this area or -- >> all of it. >> reporter: her team used tie-tech equipment to scan into the ground. all the red you see suggests the location of possible grave sites, but we won't know for sure unless exhumations are ordered. florida state officials won't comment until they can review kimmerly's findings. >> these are children who came here and died for one reason or another, and quite literally have just been lost in the woods, and it's about restoring dignity and helping -- if not putting a name to them, at least marking them and ak knowledging that they're here. >> reporter: the anthropologist also studied historic documents and public records and discovered a disturbing discrepancy. boys unaccounted for. >> this was long about the last pictures we had of him. >> reporter: this woman's brother was sent here in 1940. she said owen smith dreamed of playing guitar at the grand ole op opry. the 14-year-old has a
. >> reporter: kimmerly has traveled the world investigating war crimes for the united nations, searching for mass graves in places like yugoslavia and peru. . have you done just this area or -- >> all of it. >> reporter: her team used tie-tech equipment to scan into the ground. all the red you see suggests the location of possible grave sites, but we won't know for sure unless exhumations are ordered. florida state officials won't comment until they can review kimmerly's...
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: today, the first state in the nation has legalized marijuana for recreational use, leaving cops and citizens with lots of questions. john blackstone clears the air. and what town has the winningest football team in the nation? wyatt andrews takes us to a community on hard times now riding high. >> one, two, three. captioning sponsored by cbs this is the "cbs evening news" with scott pelley. >> pelley: good evening. whether the u.s. enters the war in syria appears to be up to the dictator bashar al-assad. on monday, david martin reported that the assad regime had given orders to prepare chemical weapons for possible use to put down the revolt that has been raging in that country for more than a year and a half. president obama said the use of these weapons of mass destruction would be totally unacceptable. well, tonight, david has new intelligence to report, and we have three stories on the breaking news in syria. we'll start with martin at the pentagon. >> reporter: u.s. intelligence so far has not detected any signs syria is loading chemical weapons on to aircraft, but defense secr
: today, the first state in the nation has legalized marijuana for recreational use, leaving cops and citizens with lots of questions. john blackstone clears the air. and what town has the winningest football team in the nation? wyatt andrews takes us to a community on hard times now riding high. >> one, two, three. captioning sponsored by cbs this is the "cbs evening news" with scott pelley. >> pelley: good evening. whether the u.s. enters the war in syria appears to be...
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diplomats from the united nations, russia and u.s. released a statement saying, "the situation in syria was bad and getting worse. >> reporter: u.s. special forces are working with jordanain force on plans to secure assad chemical weapons. >> the white house has made it very clear there will be consequences, there will be consequences if the azad regime makes a terrible mistake by using chemical weapons on their open people. >> gunbattles between opponents and supporters of the president bashar assad left 40 dead. >>> a plane has been found believed to be carrying mexican- american sing star jenni rivera. rivera was born in long beach and known for her music as well as the tv reality show called "i love jenni." she was among sich people on board the plane flying from monterrey, mexico, when traffic controllers lost contact. authorities say there were no survivors in the wreck, but haven't positively id'd those victims. >>> in other news of the world in venezuela, president hugo chavez named a designated successor as he heads back to c
diplomats from the united nations, russia and u.s. released a statement saying, "the situation in syria was bad and getting worse. >> reporter: u.s. special forces are working with jordanain force on plans to secure assad chemical weapons. >> the white house has made it very clear there will be consequences, there will be consequences if the azad regime makes a terrible mistake by using chemical weapons on their open people. >> gunbattles between opponents and supporters...
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nations. one senior government official here in seoul tells me that a motivation behind this rocket launch may also be domestic instability. the source says that kim jong-un's rule may not be as secure as previously thought. and this kind of rocket launch could deflect any attention from that. tom? >> as you may recall, the last launch there did not go very well at all. >>> next to gaza city, where after 45 years in exile, one of the founders of hamas made a historic return today. the pomp and circumstance surrounding his visit underscored the organization's powerful influence among palestinians. cnn's fred pleitgen was there. >> reporter: he received a triumphal welcome when he entered gaza. tens of thousands of hamas fighters lined the streets wearing ski masks and combat fatigues and flashing their weapons, including ak-47s and rocket-propelled grenades. the official reason meshaal is here after never having been in gaza before is the 25th anniversary of the founding of hamas which the unit
nations. one senior government official here in seoul tells me that a motivation behind this rocket launch may also be domestic instability. the source says that kim jong-un's rule may not be as secure as previously thought. and this kind of rocket launch could deflect any attention from that. tom? >> as you may recall, the last launch there did not go very well at all. >>> next to gaza city, where after 45 years in exile, one of the founders of hamas made a historic return...
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treaty that we felt was an overreach, something that would involve the united nations in the rights of parents and being able to provide was best for their disabled children and as well as other things that we are disconcerning about the u.n. and reach here. i think most people would say about but for our action and what we did, the senate probably would have passed that. we'll stay ingauged on capitol hill there's a lot of folks that want to -- republicans that want to move in another direction. want to sort of walk away from the founding principles and what republicans have stood for. we're going to hold their feet to the fire and present a different vision. >> would you like to go through it again? do you think you could win if you did it again? >> what i've said is it's four years from now. i'm going to keep my options open and we're going to stay involved in the fray and wait and see how things turn out. i felt like we were well positioned in 2012 to be the candidate that barack obama really didn't want to run against. and we'll wait and see how 2016 turns out. >> what do you take
treaty that we felt was an overreach, something that would involve the united nations in the rights of parents and being able to provide was best for their disabled children and as well as other things that we are disconcerning about the u.n. and reach here. i think most people would say about but for our action and what we did, the senate probably would have passed that. we'll stay ingauged on capitol hill there's a lot of folks that want to -- republicans that want to move in another...
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states is significant and the 60's and two individuals who have made a great difference in our nation's history. the other thing i am introducing today is a resolution. colleagues you may have heard reports in the media privacy related to the clipper cards. i think it's important -- can't make sure that people who are using clipper cards can be protected against any use of information about how where they go and the whereabouts are using the clipper card to make sure they're protected so i am intriewtion a resolution calling on the metropolitan transportation commission and we have consistency with transit and track usage with transportation and passes and transit passes and that is mine for submission. >> thank you supervisor avalos. supervisor cohen. >> thank you very much. good afternoon colleagues. i have two simple items to introduce today. the first is the drafting of a request for the city attorney to work with my office on reassessing the public notice requirements for building permits issued in areas pdr zoned 1b. this zoning category was specifically designed during the easter
states is significant and the 60's and two individuals who have made a great difference in our nation's history. the other thing i am introducing today is a resolution. colleagues you may have heard reports in the media privacy related to the clipper cards. i think it's important -- can't make sure that people who are using clipper cards can be protected against any use of information about how where they go and the whereabouts are using the clipper card to make sure they're protected so i am...
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nations peace envoy foreseers. still, this comes amid signs the country's leader bashar assad is edging closer to using chemical weapons against syrian rebels. >>> germany's cabinet today approved sending patriot air defense missiles to turkey to protect the country against attacks from syria. mortar rounds and shells from syria have killed several turks in recent weeks. the decision on the missiles must still be endorsed by the german parliament. >>> superstorm sandy and the "fiscal cliff." a lot of factors could shake up tomorrow's jobs report. we'll have a preview coming up. >> and it looked like new year's eve in seattle. pot smokers light up in celebration of washington's new law but it comes with some limitations. ,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,, ♪[ music ] >>> the music world is mourning the death of jazz pioneer dave brubeck who died yesterday of heart failure on the way to a hospital for a scheduled check- up. he was born 92 years ago today. and he was born in concord over in the east bay. you might remember him fo
nations peace envoy foreseers. still, this comes amid signs the country's leader bashar assad is edging closer to using chemical weapons against syrian rebels. >>> germany's cabinet today approved sending patriot air defense missiles to turkey to protect the country against attacks from syria. mortar rounds and shells from syria have killed several turks in recent weeks. the decision on the missiles must still be endorsed by the german parliament. >>> superstorm sandy and the...
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that is clear. >> that was the head of the united nations' environment program. now we had a championship talk -- soccer, and last year's champion, chelsea, have crashed out of the competition. >> the londoners' only finished third. chelsea are the first title holders to ever exit the competition at the group's stage. but it was another good night for a german club. >> bayern munich have talked their group. berlin see a finished in second place, following their 1-0 victory -- valencia. she is thousands of years old but still is ageless and beautiful as ever. the bust of the egyptian queen nefertiti was discovered by archaeologists from the royal prussian academy exactly 100 years ago today on december 6, 1912. >> a special exhibit is opening in berlin that traces the discovery of the rare find. years were dedicated digging in the desert sands before efforts were richly rewarded. >> the light falls on her face from different angles, showing the lines of time. a proud queen and a classic beauty. the bust of nefertiti is the star attraction of the museum island in b
that is clear. >> that was the head of the united nations' environment program. now we had a championship talk -- soccer, and last year's champion, chelsea, have crashed out of the competition. >> the londoners' only finished third. chelsea are the first title holders to ever exit the competition at the group's stage. but it was another good night for a german club. >> bayern munich have talked their group. berlin see a finished in second place, following their 1-0 victory --...
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. >>> aid workers from the united nations and the european union continue to provide humanitarian services even after u.n. cease-fire monitors withdrew from syria in august. now officials have decided to withdraw their remaining personnel. they say it's just too dangerous. >> the united nations and syria will pull out non-essential international personnel with immediate effect. >> nesirky said any u.n. personnel who stay behind will be restricted to the capital damascus. eu sources said their ambassador and two other diplomats would be recalled. they say about ten syrian employees will take over information gathering and liaison activities. reuters says eight u.n. staff members have been killed since the uprising began in march of last year. >>> the iranian military says it has captured a u.s. intelligence-gathering drone in its air space. but a spokesman for the u.s. navy's 5th fleet denies that claim. iran state-run television network aired footage showing what it says is the unmanned air craft. iran's revolutionary guard missiles say it captured the drone after it entered the country's
. >>> aid workers from the united nations and the european union continue to provide humanitarian services even after u.n. cease-fire monitors withdrew from syria in august. now officials have decided to withdraw their remaining personnel. they say it's just too dangerous. >> the united nations and syria will pull out non-essential international personnel with immediate effect. >> nesirky said any u.n. personnel who stay behind will be restricted to the capital damascus. eu...
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because they went to the united nations. they went unilaterally to the united nations. this was a unilateral action. we pulled out from the gaza unilaterally, we didn't ask their permission, we just did it. >> rose: some people argue that what ought to has been, i think barak has argued this and others that if you can't find somebody to bargain with, go ahead and create two states. >> well, barak was repeating what i proposed. six and a half years ago you will recall i'm sure that i said i will negotiate with the palestinians. if i reach an agreement with them, better. if i don't reach an agreement with them i would have then implemented a solution on the unilateral basis and i called it the convergence plan. this was the plan that i discussed first time that i came to america as a prime minister and i met with president george bush. he was very curious about this plan and i said don't worry, i don't propose it because i want to avoid negotiations. i will doctor go for negotiations in the most serious manner in order to achieve peace and he was very helpful together wit
because they went to the united nations. they went unilaterally to the united nations. this was a unilateral action. we pulled out from the gaza unilaterally, we didn't ask their permission, we just did it. >> rose: some people argue that what ought to has been, i think barak has argued this and others that if you can't find somebody to bargain with, go ahead and create two states. >> well, barak was repeating what i proposed. six and a half years ago you will recall i'm sure that i...
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>>neil: the united nations will do what? they get involved in all these other ridiculous time consuming wasteful enterprises and this is fat more immediate crisis. >>guest: what is going on is something we really should be asking, is it possible to set up alternative institutions, treaties, anything, to get things done that serve the needs of modern free societies because the n right now has done nothing to solve the horrors in syria, the iranian nuclear weapons program, the north korean weapons program and they are ready to test another ballistic missile that the u.n. has talked about and what the u.n. has done is helped itself to efforts to let everything about your life, your wallet. from the intent. to treaties on disabilities, to gun control, to all these things that should be the business of sovereign states to do, and the u.n. appropriates to itself. it is an inside out approach to what should be going on. >>neil: but it is like in the last few months which you warned me about, it is like bad guys rule, democracy rule
>>neil: the united nations will do what? they get involved in all these other ridiculous time consuming wasteful enterprises and this is fat more immediate crisis. >>guest: what is going on is something we really should be asking, is it possible to set up alternative institutions, treaties, anything, to get things done that serve the needs of modern free societies because the n right now has done nothing to solve the horrors in syria, the iranian nuclear weapons program, the north...
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country in dimona what we're hearing now is a resolution that has been overwhelmingly passed by the united nations general assembly and this calls on israel to quickly open its nuclear facilities to international and inspectors from the international atomic energy agency the resolution was passed with one hundred seventy four in favor six against and six abstentions and essentially it's calling on israel to join the non proliferation nuclear treaty not as all get it off all countries who do have nuclear arms but who are not recognized by the nonproliferation proliferation treaty these resolutions of the united nations are not legally binding but they are important because they reflect world opinion and they certainly carry political weight so this is something that will make tel aviv sit up and take notice what we've witnessed ever since the palestinians went to the united nations last week and were recognized with increased status is a strong reaction from the israeli government the israeli prime minister netanyahu unarmed that he was approving some three thousand new sic the wholeness es
country in dimona what we're hearing now is a resolution that has been overwhelmingly passed by the united nations general assembly and this calls on israel to quickly open its nuclear facilities to international and inspectors from the international atomic energy agency the resolution was passed with one hundred seventy four in favor six against and six abstentions and essentially it's calling on israel to join the non proliferation nuclear treaty not as all get it off all countries who do...
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nations last week and will recognize that with increased status is a strong reaction from the israeli government the israeli prime minister netanyahu unarmed that he was approving some three thousand new sick no hope in this essentially an area known as the one which is in these two recently member west bank and it does mean that these two areas will be cut off from each other the international criticism came harsh and came quickly we're not hearing that australia is the latest country to summon its ambassador to talk to him over this latest israeli move this doesn't follow announcements by force and bush and sweden that they were considering recalling of their own have bassett is over this announcement from tel aviv we've since heard from paris that they are not going to record an investor but that is still on the table and to quote the french ministry all options are available britain has also said that it's waiting to see how. talks will go before the finances with the solution but certainly there has been a lot of international condemnation it hasn't as of yet been any official is
nations last week and will recognize that with increased status is a strong reaction from the israeli government the israeli prime minister netanyahu unarmed that he was approving some three thousand new sick no hope in this essentially an area known as the one which is in these two recently member west bank and it does mean that these two areas will be cut off from each other the international criticism came harsh and came quickly we're not hearing that australia is the latest country to...
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nations now we're also hearing criticism of some european ambassadors european diplomats warning us that we were going to be certain moves against israel now we're also hearing from the un secretary-general ban ki moon to quote him he says that this has developed and in most fatal blow to the remaining chances of securing a two state solution amongst the punishment that the israeli government has taken is that they have frozen some one hundred million dollars in tax money that is welcome it's on behalf of the palestinian authority has built a painful blow to the p.a. because essentially can only cover around seventeen percent of its needs the rest of the money comes from this tax money comes from the united states and from the european union if you look at the sick the population in this country they too also unhappy they do not believe that the israeli prime minister netanyahu will go ahead with building these units they believe that it's almost a cheap moves by netanyahu to try and gain support ahead of genuine elections and that this is an internal matter to try and really build
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nations general assembly that just passed today grand pronouncements will soon see. and the palestinian people will wake up tomorrow and find that little about their lives has changed but washington's unflinching support for tel aviv has separated from some of its longtime allies in the un more and more countries are turning their back on decades of negotiations that have led nowhere what has changed has been the continual failure of the us controlled so-called peace process to lead to any kind of end to occupation and what i think was the catalyst here is that political pressure on other matters and on the palestinian authority from their own population from their own people who were saying you know what we've had twenty one years of failed diplomacy we're not looking for twenty two we want something different and that something means a real shift in policy first and foremost the consensus on the international stage is that israel needs to stop building settlements deemed illegal by the un and certainly be international community you know is a horse. a provocation w
nations general assembly that just passed today grand pronouncements will soon see. and the palestinian people will wake up tomorrow and find that little about their lives has changed but washington's unflinching support for tel aviv has separated from some of its longtime allies in the un more and more countries are turning their back on decades of negotiations that have led nowhere what has changed has been the continual failure of the us controlled so-called peace process to lead to any kind...
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yes last year our christian robots application for full fledged human membership and the united nations and elliston have the votes in the u.n. general assembly lucky obama administration tied it up in the security council gates threatened to veto it all. of the united. palestine could have broken the log jam at the security council and turned it over to the general assembly for two thirds though in any event i believe they concluded that that would have been a step too far given the diplomatic and political situation so last spring the p.l.o. executive committee that serves as the provisional government for the state of palestine voted to go for un observer state membership along the lines that switzerland used to have i guess until about ten years one finally joined the united nations organization but from the very foundation of the wait until about ten years ago switzerland was a un observer state and in that capacity was able to join all of the. international organizations treaties including the statue to the international court of justice so let's talk about some of the leverage th
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nations that the moral majority of western states was with israel it now turns out he was wrong and whether israel wants it or not it's increasingly clear that something needs to give policy r.t. tel aviv earlier israeli academic miri eisin told my colleague kevin owen the general assembly's decision puts the whole peace process under threat. the majority of israelis including this government by the way have stated clearly that they'd like to see palestine independent and both of us understand that there is a difference between saying palestine independent and doing it on your own with the united nations without israel as a partner as if saying that the impediment is just the state that's here let's do this hand in hand without negotiations without us as a partner to do a one sided to impose it on israel and they feel the strong need to give a response as an israeli i can say that has to do with domestic politics personally i don't necessarily adhere to that stop i think you've heard a lot of criticism here in israel in linking it in such a way but that is also about politics but of
nations that the moral majority of western states was with israel it now turns out he was wrong and whether israel wants it or not it's increasingly clear that something needs to give policy r.t. tel aviv earlier israeli academic miri eisin told my colleague kevin owen the general assembly's decision puts the whole peace process under threat. the majority of israelis including this government by the way have stated clearly that they'd like to see palestine independent and both of us understand...
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all these trade deals people claim were going to bring jobs to the united states and in every case, the jobs left.
all these trade deals people claim were going to bring jobs to the united states and in every case, the jobs left.
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. >> after the war, he elaborated with another architect on the united nations building in new york. it made niemeyer's mainame. in 1996 he received -- in 1956 he received the commission of a lifetime. he was asked to design the capitol building in brazil. the buildings he produced and became instant icons and an inspiration to the next generation of architects. >> he was an influence on my becoming an architect so long ago. and he was just incredibly creative until the end. his passion was architecture, but his passion was life. that is why he lived so long. >> the 1964 military coup in brazil led to the openly communist niemeyer leading to live in paris. he returned some years later and ensure the before his 90th birthday produced this. the museum of contemporary art. a spectacular masterpiece. oscar niemeyer never stopped working, were stopped believing that architecture could make the world a better place. which most would agree in his case, it did. >> finally tonight, this incredible new view of our planet. these images were captured by a nasa satellite traveling some 800 kilome
. >> after the war, he elaborated with another architect on the united nations building in new york. it made niemeyer's mainame. in 1996 he received -- in 1956 he received the commission of a lifetime. he was asked to design the capitol building in brazil. the buildings he produced and became instant icons and an inspiration to the next generation of architects. >> he was an influence on my becoming an architect so long ago. and he was just incredibly creative until the end. his...
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nations peace envoy foreseers, still amid signs for for syria. >>> meanwhile germany approved sending patriot air defense missiles to turkey to protect the country against attacks from neighboring syria. mortar rounds and shells from syria have killed several turks in recent weeks. the decision on the missiles must still be approved by the german parliament. >>> it's official, recreational marijuana use is now legal in washington state. hundreds of of people showed up at the space needle to celebrate at midnight. voters approved the law last month. it only covers adults aged 21 and older. some university of washington students did their homework on the limitations. >> we know it's not legal for us to use it. >> i think people will respect the rule just because i mean there's a lot of consequences if you are caught smoking pot on campus? >> colorado also legalized recreational use of marijuana but that amendment won't take effect until the governor proclaims it passed. he has 30 days to "roll it" into effect. >>> also today in washington, same-sex marriage is now legal. dozens of gay a
nations peace envoy foreseers, still amid signs for for syria. >>> meanwhile germany approved sending patriot air defense missiles to turkey to protect the country against attacks from neighboring syria. mortar rounds and shells from syria have killed several turks in recent weeks. the decision on the missiles must still be approved by the german parliament. >>> it's official, recreational marijuana use is now legal in washington state. hundreds of of people showed up at the...
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also today, the united nations says it is pulling all of its nonessential staff out of syria. >>> tonight, antivirus creator, john mcafee says he has left belize. he made the statement on his website. mcafee is wanted for questioning in the murder of his neighbor. he believes belize authorities would kill him if he turned himself in. the prime minister called the 67-year-old paranoid and bongers. >>> samsung is asking the court to throw out a verdict against the korean company. the hearing is also about apple trying to increase the punishment on samsung. they want to push for a permanent ban on the sale of more than two dozen samsung devices here in the u.s. >>> cleaning up what mother nature left behind. plus, we'll update our developing news. the repairs to muni, and get trains rolling in time for the morning commute. >>> bill martin is tracking the next round of rain. when to expect it where you live and his complete bay area forecast. >>> a reminder that you can ge (car horn) paying with your smartphone instead of cash... (phone rings) that's a step forward. with chase quickpay, you c
also today, the united nations says it is pulling all of its nonessential staff out of syria. >>> tonight, antivirus creator, john mcafee says he has left belize. he made the statement on his website. mcafee is wanted for questioning in the murder of his neighbor. he believes belize authorities would kill him if he turned himself in. the prime minister called the 67-year-old paranoid and bongers. >>> samsung is asking the court to throw out a verdict against the korean...